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Discussion: Schumann: Works for Piano and Orchestra - Oppitz, Andreae

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Post by nucaleena April 14, 2012 (1 of 13)
This disc has had two excellent reviews on this site but with the EMI Richter Schumann being issued this week, I am afraid that it (the Oppitz) might get overlooked. Can I just say that I have not heard as fine an account since the classic Kovacevich recording forty years ago. Oppitz and his collaborators manage to generate nervous tension without ever obviously trying to and they present this along with passion and tenderness. Sound is very good for PCM (24/96 ??).

Don't miss this recording in favour of the Richter, - get both.

P.S. Would now love to hear Oppitz and the Bambeg traverse the two Brahms pcs, especially since no one else seems inclined to give us those two pillars of the repertory or possesses a house orchestra as good as the Bambergers.

Post by Claude April 14, 2012 (2 of 13)

Post by Polly Nomial April 14, 2012 (3 of 13)
nucaleena said:

P.S. Would now love to hear Oppitz and the Bambeg traverse the two Brahms pcs, especially since no one else seems inclined to give us those two pillars of the repertory or possesses a house orchestra as good as the Bambergers.

Don't any of these count? :)

Brahms: Piano Concerto No. 1 - Rubinstein/Reiner
Brahms, Mozart: Piano Concertos - Backhaus/Böhm
Brahms: Piano Concerto No. 1 - Curzon
Brahms: Piano Concerto No. 2, Four Piano Pieces - Hamelin, Litton
Brahms: Piano Concerto No. 2 - Dichter, Masur
Brahms: Piano Concerto No. 1 - Misha Dichter
Brahms: Piano Concerto No. 1 - Rittner, Ehrhardt

Post by nucaleena April 14, 2012 (4 of 13)
Polly Nomial said:

Don't any of these count? :)

No, they're either 1) expensive stereo only re-releases, or 2) 50 years old (Rubinstein, though it is good nonetheless), or 3) mediocre (the Dichter) or, 4) on historic instruments or 5) in the case of the Hamelin, are just plain awful as a recording. There's nothing in that list that's 5.0, modern and well recorded as well.

Post by Simon V. November 25, 2014 (5 of 13)
Not sure this one quite lives up to the reviews. A little dull, perhaps?

Post by Clavicembalisticum November 25, 2014 (6 of 13)
I really like Hélène Grimaud's recording of the Schumann with Esa-Pekka Salonen on DG. Not SACD, but if the performance matters more than the technique with which the music was recorded, then one often has to look elsewhere than an SACD recording.

Post by Adrian Cue November 26, 2014 (7 of 13)
nucaleena said:

Would now love to hear Oppitz and the Bambeg traverse the two Brahms pcs, especially since no one else seems inclined to give us those two pillars of the repertory or possesses a house orchestra as good as the Bambergers.

I support that, especially no. 1. Rittner/Ehrhardt certainly isn’t my cup of tea. Neither do stereo only remakes. In that case I prefer several of my existing RBCD's of which Kovacevich/LPO/Sawallisch/EMI tops them all. And whoever believes that Oppitz cs. is dull has probably not listened to it in MC (or maybe not at all).

Post by Clavicembalisticum November 26, 2014 (8 of 13)
Adrian Cue said:
And whoever believes that Oppitz cs. is dull has probably not listened to it in MC (or maybe not at all).

I doubt that spreading him among three more speakers will change his interpretation! (Assuming that's what people mean by "dull"--I haven't heard the recording.)

Post by Simon V. November 26, 2014 (9 of 13)
Adrian Cue said:

And whoever believes that Oppitz cs. is dull has probably not listened to it in MC (or maybe not at all).

It's true that I listen on headphones (I live in a small flat and music disturbs the neighbours), but there's no need to impugn my listening experience or my judgement just because they differ from yours.

Post by undertone November 26, 2014 (10 of 13)
Simon V. and Adrian Cue: I think you are both right -- there is something missing in the two channel mix on this recording. A very fine interpretation, but the recording does not present nearly as vivid a sound image as other Tudor recordings of the same orchestra in the same venue (e.g., Mahler: Symphony No. 7 - Nott).

It's a rare instance where I find the engineering to be so obstructive to the ends of the musicians, but the stereo mix of this session sounds veiled and constricted, and the fortissimos almost muffled. That is not the case with Nott's Mahler 7th, which had a different production team than the Schumann recording.

I have read many reviews on this site that stress the superiority of the MCH vis-a-vis the stereo mix on particular titles, and this one may fall into that category.

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